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ajc2123 · Aug 05, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21

Not sure about this but I think since RWAR won, everyone is using their 4 monk team now almost.

What do you think about this? I'll admit I never liked meta before but it's going to the point where you need 4 monks to win? I think it's absolutly amazing that they came up with a build with 4 monks that can heal (smiters boon ftw) AND still do a great amount of damage, BUT I think 4 monks is overkill.

This is kind of making me want a limit of 3 per profession characters in a team but that would make all the fun ones (even though they don't work all the time like bloodspike necros) Unusable in their current form. But this isn't my suggestion, just my opinion.

Also didn't Anet nerf things like guardian and aegis because they wanted to make killing a bit easier against monks, and now theres 4 of them? (probably wrong on this too)

Also I am NOT hardcore gvg, I only watch it ingame so excuse me if I am wrong on points. (means go easy on the newblet)

But mainly, what do you think about the 4 monk teams?

*edit* Also , did any1 else notice that when the bodyguard attacks, instead of an orb or fire or something, and ARROW comes out of his staff?!?!?! wtf?

TheodenKing · Aug 05, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Give it some time... if everyone is playing the team build, something will get nerfed. That is how they do things in balance land for pvp.

ajc2123 · Aug 05, 2008, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by TheodenKing

Give it some time... if everyone is playing the team build, something will get nerfed. That is how they do things in balance land for pvp.

Providing Anet is going to give some decent skill updates, it seems to be less and less updates all the time lol.

But yeah your prolly right about that.

matthew5276 · Aug 05, 2008, 01:40 PM // 13:40

The 4 monk team is essentially just a build that is meant to play for VoD, as a result, nerfing monks isnt really the best choice. The builds themselves arent overpowered, but they exploit the gameplay to become overpowered at VoD. To nerf the Meta, VoD needs to be nerfed not monks. Simply nerfing monks wont stop any more VoD builds, but nerfing VoD would force people to run more offensive builds , depening on how VoD would be changed.

Ps. me saying nerfing vod does not mean I have any idea how to change it, but basically I mean stopping GvG becoming about farming NPC's, and more about player deaths.

Free Sigils · Aug 05, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Plus the more you nerf monks - the more monks you need to cope with damage.

Bowstring Badass · Aug 05, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Free Sigils

Plus the more you nerf monks - the more monks you need to cope with damage.

BRING BACK BOON PROT.

Anyway since [rawr] did it everyone thinks they can copy [rawr]'s build and win.

ajc2123 · Aug 05, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

I do not want to nerf monks at all! I like where they stand at the moment, but the fact that you can use 4 of them and still have great offense kinda peeves me. Thats why my opinion was to make gvg only allow 3 of any profession at a time so monks can still do their jobs and there's no...I dunno, over win or something lol. To be able to watch the field and not red bars and keep your team alive is an awsome feet and I don't want monks to suffer from a 4 monk team nerf, but I also don't think we should allow something like this to go on. A meta of 4 monks is going to make more people want to be monk, who just can't, like myself, and others who just watch red bars.

I dunno, i'm just worried I guess.

dies like fish · Aug 05, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Monks are too strong as they are. You used to be able to pressure teams to force kills.

Burton2000 · Aug 05, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Allowing 3 of only 1 proffesion wouldn't do anything as most of these teams runs 3 monks and 1 rit as a monk runner is just not needed. Also has been said before its VoD that needs changing not the builds.

ajc2123 · Aug 05, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Well what do you think about having 4 monks period though? Not about my opinion. Do you think its broken, cheap, fine, great, needs a little change but not much or total change?

I kinda hate to see the winning guilds team get copied by every single guild out there after the tourny, but hey if they win why not follow their footsteps? THIs is something we cannot change, the fact that whoever wins makes the meta basically. BUT what do you think of this new meta?

la_cabra_de_vida · Aug 06, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by dies like fish

Monks are too strong as they are. You used to be able to pressure teams to force kills.

Monks are not to strong, its that passive defence was killed so people are bring monks/stand rits to compensate.

Divinus Stella · Aug 06, 2008, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by TheodenKing

Give it some time... if everyone is playing the team build, something will get nerfed. That is how they do things in balance land for pvp.

You really wont like whats coming, i hate VOD camping a lot but i think what Izzy has planned for GvG in the thursday update is a lot worse.

Trinity Fire Angel · Aug 06, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

how do you know what Izzy has planned?

dies like fish · Aug 06, 2008, 07:50 AM // 07:50

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Originally Posted by la_cabra_de_vida

Monks are not to strong, its that passive defence was killed so people are bring monks/stand rits to compensate.

[Word of Healing][Restore Condition][Patient Spirit][Infuse Health]

These are the most common skills used to make red bars go up in current Monk bars. They provide way too much healing for the cost and recharge. If these skills were hit, Monks would take a lot more player skill to play well. Only Monks that efficiently use their prots well would succeed, while your average Monk would die more often.

Div · Aug 06, 2008, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by dies like fish

[Word of Healing][Restore Condition][Patient Spirit][Infuse Health]

These are the most common skills used to make red bars go up in current Monk bars. They provide way too much healing for the cost and recharge. If these skills were hit, Monks would take a lot more player skill to play well. Only Monks that efficiently use their prots well would succeed, while your average Monk would die more often.

I would love to see a prot buff and a heal nerf. That's still really dangerous because it means you'll need a lot of off-monk healing to support the lowered healing ability. But hey, it'll maybe at least encourage people to bring dom mesmers

distilledwill · Aug 06, 2008, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I have to say Im speaking only from an observers standpoint as I dont actually GvG but the 4 monk + 2mes teams are incredibly boring to watch, the whole stalling till VoD thing is incredibly mindnumbing. I imagine this must be a very frustrating time to play as a frontline melee player.

Burton2000 · Aug 06, 2008, 10:25 AM // 10:25

Nothing wrong with infuse health but WoH is definatly one of the most overpowered monk skills at the moment.

ajc2123 · Aug 06, 2008, 12:43 PM // 12:43

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Originally Posted by Burton2000

Nothing wrong with infuse health but WoH is definatly one of the most overpowered monk skills at the moment.

doesn't the fact that it's spammable just make it that much easier to divert though?

yakuza · Aug 06, 2008, 01:25 PM // 13:25

well here's my point as a gvg player, some of u know me some of u don't....monks aren't rly overpowered...all u need is 2 decent warriors and they can take down any team...just roll 2 wars, 1 dom, 1 snare, ranger, and the rest normal backline...simple...if u can't roll 4 monk teams with that than its simple...u fail

and if u wanna flame me ask any1 who knows gvg....4 monk teams aren't that hard to take down, since most of them consist of; woh/infuse, rc, YaA smite, and a flagger with heal party... easy to shutdown...diversion + shame on woh and rc, send a flagger with condi removal on the gank with one of the wars, and kill him, and then they're 1 man lower....then after u diverted + shamed the monks start applying pressure + spikes and keep apliying shames and diversions which will (if u have a good mesmer) drain him and diver atleast 2-3 of his skills....

then just simply push for the YaA smite, and divert his RoD...and the just start wiping them out....if u can't do that ....then don't even dare to quote or write in glad's arena forum

peace out

dies like fish · Aug 06, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

doesn't the fact that it's spammable just make it that much easier to divert though?

The fact that Word of Healing heals for so much allows Monks to use it less and they can basically watch a Mesmer the whole match for Diversions. Or they can be faggots and run Hex Breaker.